Noticeably enough, Kasey’s response to my blog entry proves nothing better. Rather, it’s his same old ongoing futile RANT which he is getting better at by each passing day, and oddly, which in turn raises enough number of questions on his own integrity. Way to ruin Kasey!
Here’s what he says:
1) “the 7D6N package (or 8D7N now with the upgrade), is not a product. It is merely a gimmicky certificate, (the border design is stolen off another website) that you cannot even redeem directly. You have to pay extra $150 to redeem it. That's not a product. Besides, you can't buy the product without the membership. And I haven't even mentioned the alleged redemption rate of 1% as per information released by TVI Express itself, and the broken promises of TVI Express for the booking portal for almost a year...”
· “That you cannot even redeem directly”? - What does he mean by that? He definitely hasn’t done his homework well but the fact is that once you are a TVI Express member, the only way you do it is “directly” by yourself.
· “And I haven't even mentioned the alleged redemption rate of 1% as per information released by TVI Express itself”. - Well, Kasey likes to follow the noise of his own droning while ignoring how mistaken he is at quoting this is as a “fallacy”. NOWHERE have TVI Express announced that “1%” but Kasey follows the numbers randomly generated by his own over-thinking mind. Oh, I know how he got it. As per his own statement in one of his blogs, he mentioned that the company TVI Express or some top leader of TVI Express had announced that already “thousands” of people have redeemed their certificates (and yes, we are talking about the development phase in the past). So, does “thousands” mean 1%? Must say his mind is fastidious enough to go with the lowest possible number which proves nothing but his over-paranoid character.
· And ah again, the same rant about his same old USD 150 taxes and processing charges. People please read the website, and you will know the truth. Please go to www.tviexpress.com and please check out the star sign on where it says “6 Nights/7 Days Vacation in a 3-5 Star Property” on the home page.
2) “travel engine and travel portal is the SAME THING. You can't count the same thing twice. Furthermore, the so-called portal is available on Travelocity.com FOR FREE. So what's the $250 joining fee for? It's not for the 7D6N since you need to pay yet ANOTHER $150 for that. Or put it another way... Before the $150 fee, you *could* say that the $250 joining fee buys the 7D6N trip. Now, you can't even claim that since you need to pay ANOTHER $150 to get the trip. In other words, EmJay07, your explanation was belied by TVI Express. One wonders why you are still supporting it.”
· Now, what I said in my previous blog about the TVI Express services was this: 1. A big number of discounted deals listed through their travel engine 2. Lifetime access to a full-fledged travel portal. (http://emjay07.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-is-tvi-express-not-pyramid-scheme.html) Obviously, Kasey cannot differentiate between the two for he doesn’t know, nor is he keen to know, the difference.
But here it is for the ardent and irrational critic, yes, you did pick one thing right and that is the similarity between “travel engine” and “travel portal” but sadly, you missed the main point. Those who don’t know - as a complimentary service, apart from the 6 Nights and 7 Days accommodation, TVI Express gives their members lifetime access to a travel portal (which is separate from the Redemption Page) which is suffice to meet all the travel needs whenever and wherever. Please note it is a complimentary service and not the “Product” Yes, it’s free anywhere else but what he didn’t point out was the “Discounted Deals”. Many of the listed deals are discounted which offer prices better than any other regular travel portal. Members would know that!
And, $USD 150 is towards taxes and processing which TVI Express have announced about. As far USD 250 is concerned, it gets you access to the product along with discounted deals and a wonderful business opportunity.
3) “The service is worth nothing, as demonstrated above, and the product is a gimmick with little substance. EmJay07's "truth" is looking very very shaky.”
· Does that need an explanation? You decide it for yourself. I have already explained it above.
4) “EmJay07 continues:
Another thing, as per the MLM Laws, another defining feature of a Pyramid scheme is the criteria which such companies set so that the members are obligated to fulfill them in order to be able to redeem the product such as multi-level movement of money or recruitment of a certain number of people prior to the redemption.
Here is where EmJay07 demonstrates his ignorance for REAL MLM law, as he couldn't cite any. Instead he just say "per the MLM laws", and hope you don't notice his ignorance. “Clearly, he had not heard of the landmark FTC cases where FTC gone after Amway, Koscot Interplanetary, and Fortuna Alliance. I have referred to all of them on my blog before, and you can find them on Wikipedia easily enough. The difference between MLM and pyramid scheme is NOT the obligations or redemptions or recruiting.”
Undoubtedly, he didn’t quite understand what I was referring to..must have been too logical for his brain to absorb for he has been indulged in his “fallacies” too much lately..Well, in any case, such comments come from sheer lack of education on the matter. Please go through Mr. Gerry Nehra’s explanation on this. FYKI, Mr. Nehra is one of the renowned MLM Attorneys and explains the point I was referring to while Kasey still maintains “The difference between MLM and pyramid scheme is NOT the obligations or redemptions or recruiting.”
Please read Mr. Nehra’s article on this and decide for yourself
“Network Marketing Business Journal, February 2010, Volume 25, Issue 2, beginning on page 15 and continuing on page 16.
by: Gerald P. Nehra, Attorney at LawThe title of this article lists names of pieces of paper and business transactions that are perfectly legal. Even paying commissions to the person arranging the transaction can be structured so as to be perfectly legal.
So why am I writing about it? Because the payment of multilevel commissions on JUST that kind of paper CREATES HIGH—read that as UNACCEPTABLY HIGH—LEGAL RISK. The reason is that the multilevel commission is being paid on the movement of money, WITHOUT the delivery of a product.
In the simplest form, one pays money and gets a piece of paper that evidences a promise to deliver a product or a service at a later date, if certain specified conditions are met. Sometimes the conditions are as simple as showing up and presenting the coupon as an exchange for the product. Sometimes you must buy a burger, present the coupon, and then get free fries.
In direct selling, the conditions can get more complicated. In a famous example, one form of “condition” (to ultimately receive the product for which you only made a down payment) was to sponsor a given number of additional persons who make more “down payments.” � That has been tried. It has been found to be illegal and pyramidal. You (the company) CANNOT pay multilevel commissions simply on the movement of money, and you (the distributor) CANNOT receive multilevel compensation based upon your downlines’ movement of money. Multilevel compensation, to be legal, MUST be based on completed sales of products or services to end user consumers. One state’s anti-pyramid statute specifically uses the words “bona fide sales to consumers.” An excerpt is below:
In Florida the following is Prohibited Activity:
. . . any sales or marketing plan. . . whereby a person pays. . . in excess of $100 and acquires the opportunity to receive a benefit. . . not primarily contingent on. . . goods (or) services sold in bona fide sales to consumers, and which is related to the inducement of additional persons. . . to participate in the same sales or marketing plan. . . .
“Consideration” Exclusion: …goods or services furnished at cost for use in making sales. . . .
Attorneys and investigators in the Office of the Attorney General of Florida have told me personally that they interpret the above language as prohibiting the payment of multilevel compensation on just the movement of money, without the sale and delivery of a product or service. They have said they are willing to litigate their position in the Florida courts. If that isn’t enough, the following regulatory actions make the point very emphatically: In the past, the voucher- and down payment-driven programs of AuQuest, Gold Unlimited, and International Metals & Trade were shut down, and corporate officers and distributors were arrested.
So—bottom line—do not design, and do not work, a program where e multilevel commissions flow ONLY FROM the movement of money and BEFORE a product or service is delivered to an end user. When in doubt, consult a direct selling skilled attorney for guidance.”
Everything is clear as crystal. Make a decision for yourself.
5) “That's ZERO out of FOUR, EmJay07. Five if you count that lame rebuttal about you reposting TVI Express announcement without their permission. I guess I can give you maybe 0.2 of a point for spotting two of my minor mistakes, but you're losing this debate, that's for sure.”
Debate? Hmm, congrats Kasey for judging your own ineffective so-called “win”. I can say that this bit must have relieved him the most – giving critiques and then rating them. Hah! Good job Kasey but I’m sorry to say, you have pathetically FAILED!
And yes, he says that I posted “TVI Express” announcement without their permission while I clearly mentioned that it’s an announcement from their website which anyone can read.
And well, in regards to his own point, how much credence should Kasey be given when he is pasting random stuff from random websites every other day while pointing at them and blogging immaterial of the “truth”??
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